When Medicine Splits You Into Parts, Choose To Be Whole w Julie

A homemade snickerdoodle led to a soul reading, and from there we dove into the kind of healing most of us crave but rarely get: simple, whole, humane. With Julie as our guide, we explore what happens when you stop treating symptoms in isolation and start aligning energy, boundaries, and daily rhythms so your body can finally exhale. She calls herself a healing facilitator for a reason—this isn’t about fixing you; it’s about clearing the noise so your own system can do what it’s built to do.

We unpack why autoimmune issues so often track back to the gut, why the gut tracks back to relationships and safety, and how chronic stress erodes the microbiome and the immune system’s judgment. Julie lays out a practical, repeatable process: bring the nervous system into parasympathetic “rest and digest,” address the seven chakras and major organs and glands, and pair energetic balance with concrete choices like better sleep, nutrition, nature, and real boundaries. Case studies—from lab results normalizing to a physician outliving a grim prognosis—highlight the power of agency, perspective, and steady practice over panic.

What makes this conversation different is how accessible it feels. We translate energy work for the skeptical, map emotions to body systems, and offer a clear path from self-care shoulds to unapologetic self-love. We talk about letting go with kindness, parenting without control, and the surprising ripple of authentic expression—how even a bright coat on a gray day can lift a room. If the medical system has ever made you feel like pieces on separate clipboards, this is your invitation to be whole again.

If this resonated, share it with someone who needs a gentler path to healing. Subscribe for more grounded conversations on mental health, wholeness, and everyday tools that help you feel like yourself. And tell us: what’s one small shift you’ll make today to bring your body back into alignment?

Julie Lieberknecht, CHt, is a healing facilitator who brings it all together in her own unique way.  For 26 years, she has been creating the combo of treating with Esoteric Healing, Therapy, and Coaching, to help her clients understand their livee, spiritually, and shift into the parasympathetic nervous system so the body can come into wellness.  Esoteric Healing is a science - specific energy points in the energy field that are focused on to bring balance, and with that can come restoration from physical disease, anxiety, “stuckness” in life, intense spiritual dark nights, etc.  This treatment can take place via distance after a phone call with Julie.  Her calm manner and sense of humor will help you relax and find the joy in your life.  For a free consultation, you can contact her via Facebook DM, “Julie Lieberknecht”, 313-333-9240, or julie.lieberknecht@gmail.com.  Happy New Year - New You- Wellness! 

Chapters

• 0:00 New Year Welcome And Guest Intro
• 1:07 Julie’s Path To Esoteric Healing
• 3:20 Cookies, Connection, And First Consult
• 5:31 Why “Healing Facilitator” Not “Healer”
• 9:20 Early Intuition And Medical Curiosity
• 15:58 Whole-Person Care vs Fragmented Medicine
• 20:18 Autoimmunity, Gut Health, And Boundaries
• 27:15 From Self-Care To Self-Love In Practice
• 32:02 Parasympathetic Mode And Real Rest
• 35:18 What A Treatment Includes And Targets
• 40:00 Case Studies: Hysterectomy To Cancer
• 47:05 Resolving Core Wounds And Patterns
• 52:03 Law Of Attraction And Alignment
• 55:25 Mechanics, Bodies, And Energy Patterns
• 58:24 Letting Go, Parenting, And Authenticity
• 1:04:40 Closing, Contacts, And Takeaways

Transcript

Candace Patrice: 0:05

Hello, and welcome back to another episode of Essential Mental Healing, where I am your host, Candace Patrice. And joining me is my lovely co-host, my mother, as always, post-Christmas. Actually, this is our New Year episode, January 1st. Oh, wow. Happy New Year.

Janet Hale: 0:29

Happy New Year.

Candace Patrice: 0:30

Wow. And then we have we have a lovely guest with us today as well. We have Julie. How are you doing? Julie, who are you? Tell us a little bit. And then, Mom, I want to know how you've been. How was Christmas or holiday? Okay, let's jump in. Let's jump in. Julie, tell us about you.

Julie Lieberknecht: 0:48

My name is Julie, long last name, LieberConnect. We tried to fit as many German letters in there as we can. Um, but the name in German actually means dear loving servant. So I think that's a lovely um meaning for what I've gotten into. Wow. So I am a uh healing facilitator and spiritual teacher, and what I do is I incorporate the facilitating of something called esoteric healing, and as well as um hypnotherapy. And so I incorporate the facilitation of that with teaching meditation and with sorry, I'm getting some interference here, and with coaching my clients, and as well with helping them with uh the balancing of feminine and masculine energy so that they can kind of get on a better balance. So I work on helping them balance their energy, I work as a therapist so I can listen and do the facilitation of healing and then coaching so I can help them with their mindset. And if I catch them in a negative pattern, like, oh, of course, this is happening to me again, we can shift that and get to a place of wellness. So that's kind of what I do. It's kind of multifaceted, and I have got 26 years of esoteric healing. I added hypnotherapy in that. I also teach Sanskrit mantra and meditation and a whole plethora of things. So, and I've got a I've come from a background of music and dance. So it's a very interesting meld into then being taught this form of energy healing by a physician. I get to use my analytical mind and combine all the creative stuff and that kind of feel-good place of where people feel comfortable talking to me and that kind of thing. So it's just kind of a I have made my own my own thing, you could say. And through the years, I can say that a lot of my clients will say things like, I don't know what to say except thank you for your Juliness.

Candace Patrice: 3:18

I like that. I I met Julie um at my daughter's Christmas concert. Now, Julie, did you perform?

Julie Lieberknecht: 3:28

Yeah. Yeah, I performed with uh with a group called Vanguard Voices.

Candace Patrice: 3:33

Were was that the first group or the second group?

Julie Lieberknecht: 3:37

We were the second group.

Candace Patrice: 3:38

Okay, okay, yeah. Um, and so I met Julie after the concert, and I was in line to get cookies, which I was not going to get cookies because psychologically I told myself, all of the cookies are out. I don't know who's touching on the cookies, so I wasn't gonna get one. And you just happened to be right across from me and pointed to the cookies that you made, and you were like, I made those. And I said, Oh, you made these? I was like, I'm gonna try one. And I could tell, like, a lot of the cookies were like from the store, they were bought, and this was in a container and they were made. Um and I tried one and it was lovely. It was a snickerdoodle cookie. And I remember you saying, like, all of the ingredients in there are organic, and I I couldn't believe it. I went back for a second, and then I went back for two more cookies, and then I went back for another cookie, and there was only one left, and I said I should not take the last of the cookies. I should absolutely leave this special cookie for someone else to experience. It's the only reason I didn't eat the last one, is because I thought I should be kind to someone else so they could try the cookie. It was such a good cookie. But then afterwards, I went to tell her how I loved her cookies, and then she looked at me in my eyeballs and then decided to pierce my soul real fast. I walked away after exchanging contact information. Um, and then I had my consultation, which was a little over the consultation time. A little bit, a little bit. Um, but I learned so much. And even like all of the things you were just sharing, um I I don't know all of those names. I don't know what everything means, and you shared a lot with me. Uh, but I guess what I'm hearing, when I was hearing you, it made me ask this question. When did you know you were a healer?

Julie Lieberknecht: 5:34

Um, the funny thing is I actually shy away from that term. Okay. Okay. I'll share something with you. My my father actually had a uh seminary degree. My mom and dad, uh wonderful people, both just passed in the past couple of years. Um, dad had a seminary degree, but went into it for the purposes of teaching. And he taught uh high school for 30 years, but he also assisted at church. My mom's a church organist and choir director, so we kind of grew up like pastors' kids, that we were always there, and dad was arranging all the readers, and he would help coach the readers as to the meaning of the scripture and help them emphasize it and read meaningfully. And so there was a day that he came back from church many years ago and said, Oh, I was talking to so-and-so, and everybody knows me because I grew up there. And he says, Yeah, I was talking to so-and-so, and told him what a what a great healer you are. And I made this face. It went, Oh, not not comfortable with that term. And he says, Oh, he says, What um, what do you mean? And I said, Well, it makes it sound like I'm doing something to them. And I'm kind of like a glorified window washer. I clean the gook off so the light can shine through. And that worked for him. And he nodded, and lovely man, he didn't take any offense by anything. He was curious, like, how would you describe this? So that um it's kind of always been there. Like I was that kid who every everybody talked to like I was an adult when I was five years old. The kindergarten teacher used to call my home to my mom or dad wouldn't answer the phone. I was five years old, and she'd say, Yeah, could I speak to Julie? And I would get on the phone, and she wanted to talk to me when there was a substitute teacher in the class and wanted to hear from me what had happened when the sub was there. Now, I didn't get how strange that was until I was substitute teaching in Northville, and I was doing all these long um long-term assignments with kindergarten classes, and I came, I remember talking to them one day and saying, What on earth did this not seem weird that she was calling home? And they both shrugged their shoulders and said, Well, normally it would have, but it was you. And so, of course they're talking to me like I'm adult. So, anyway, there were times that my mom was struggling with migraines, and I remember watching her struggle with that as a kid, and I remember the first time I had the feeling of a headache come on when I was in sometime in elementary school, and I thought, no, I don't want to live my life this way, go away. And I told the headache to go away, and it did. So I think there was a natural propensity to get into this work, and then through the years, I did my degree in music, I studied overseas in England, no matter where I was, I was always counseling. I was always that roommate that everybody came to. I was always like the calm therapist. At the grocery store, people in line would just start telling me their problems. So it's it's always there. I got to then well, this this you may find interesting that I actually had connected with a friend that um she was a former roommate in college. She went the root of massage therapy. We both moved away from from school. I was or moved away from home, and I'd been in England and I'd been working over there and auditioning and doing singing and dancing and everything, and had gotten into reading a lot, a lot of books by medical intuitives, by um, and I everything made sense to me. How each organ and gland and various parts of the body related to a different emotion or mental idea. That was like it made perfect sense to me. But I thought I don't want to be a medical intuitive and just tell people, hey, you have kidney issues and walk away. I wanted to be able to help, but I didn't know exactly how that would pan out. And then I connected, reconnected with this roommate, and we're sitting at a Barnes and Noble one day talking up in the Lansing area, and she says, Okay, how come you know 10 times more about the subject I'm actually studying? Handed me a brochure. It's taught by a physician, and I started going to these classes, and like, this is okay, this is what fits. And from the very first class, I remember my teacher lectured half of that class like right into my eyes. And and I'm sitting there a good like 15, 20 years younger than all of my classmates, and everybody's got a background in like they're a nurse, they're a physical therapist, they're a massage therapist, they're something. I'm like, yeah, I got a singing and dancing background. And I knew I was in the perfect space, and I just sat there that first class, going, oh, this is gonna change my life. And from that first class, there were people that I was pairing up with in the class that were just like, you have to do this. Oh my God, how did you know that? Because I'd get some insight during the little mini treatment we did. My intuitions in in always been very strong. So that's that's it. You kind of, I believe in life that we have a propensity to do certain things. We come in here with kind of like a you kind of like a college course list, you know. I've chosen this place to go, it's in the right area for me, and you kind of naturally go into the thing that you're suited for if you're really following your guidance. So it just kind of fell into place. And so I use I use the term healing facilitator because I believe we we are all whole. We all have our connection, we just get a little bit disjointed and disconnected from you know the higher part of ourselves and our connection with source.

Candace Patrice: 12:01

Wow. Uh my you you're writing, you have something to ask or say.

Janet Hale: 12:07

I do. Um I love how the way you explain who you are for me is like a bed of wildflowers. And that's what came to me when you were talking. And then I thought, and how all the all parts of you make it possible for all parts of us where we can bring our whole selves to you and not have to go outside to, you know, how you have to, then you have to go to that person. Go to that person. You're like a one-stop show. I'm so glad is awesome. Um, it's just awesome. And then I was listening to Candace and the cookies, right? And she was and the cookies, and then I saw her, and then she looked into my eyes, and then I walked away, and I was thinking, hey, but the connection had been made. So the whole walk away, what what did that mean?

Candace Patrice: 13:08

It's just a shorter amount of time for her to scan my soul. Yeah, yeah.

Janet Hale: 13:12

So um, yeah, it just I just got goosebumps when I was listening to you. I thought, whoa. And I I know for me, and I've talked to Candace, I said, I said I need to find my village. Um, and I I and I'm gonna say this, I don't mean the offense to myself, but find my group of weirdos. Totally. They're out here, right? Where we're not fitting into a box, and that's what I heard with you. Just a bed of wildflowers. That's it.

Julie Lieberknecht: 13:42

Thank you for expressing that. That's love, and I'm so glad you touched on that, the the whole of you, because that's ever since I started doing this work, my classmates were always amazed because, like, our teacher's a physician, and she passed away a few years ago. But I give her credit because she was that that weirdo who was different in the medical field, saying, you know what, and she told her insurers, I do the manipulative, she's a DO, I do the manipulative work, or I do this other thing, deal with it. And so having that, but but again, us as students, we didn't know, we don't have an already established medical practice. And I kept wondering all those years ago, like, how do I maneuver this? Because she's already got existing clients. Through the years, it became very clear that that was actually my greatest asset was that I wasn't a medical doctor because I have the mind for medicine. And I thought about going to med school a couple times, but she even talked to me and said, Julie, don't go to med school, it's gonna destroy everything that you have. And I knew that. And so I'd get a lot of people that would say, like, God, I like I love talking to you because I can talk to you. I can't talk to so-and-so. They're my doctor. And there's this disconnect. But meanwhile, I would be studying all this stuff that I'm learning, and I would sit in coffee shops to just stay focused. Coffee shops are general. You go to a Starbucks or caribou, wherever. They are full of medical people studying for board exams. They are full of legal people studying for the bar. And these medical people would come up to me, usually doctors, saying, Are you a doctor too? Because I would just be in the zone. And I'm like, uh, well, that depends on your definition of the word. I'm here to help people heal. But this is what I do. And I'd end up, I connect with this cardiologist doing a third specialty. I connect with a noncologist who wants to get out of that field because he doesn't like what he sees. ER doctor, a neurologist, all these people who are coming to me and they weren't concerned about their patients. They came to me and they were worried about can you treat me? I have my boards coming up and I have so much stress. Can you treat me? And I thought, we've got a top-down problem with the way the system is set up because the medical people are so stressed out in their jobs. How can they exude balance to carry on to the patients? And that wholeness thing, I'm treating the whole person, I'm treating the whole energy field because it's all connected. Even like I'll give a quick example that something like when I've um treated plantar fasciitis, and people go, and and they'll typically plantar fasciitis. You get horrible pain in the feet, the fascia in the in the plantar, like ball of the foot, right? So people in horrible pain, if they go for medical treatment, they're typically going to get some steroid shots to deal with that. But it's a time, it doesn't heal the source, right? And so I treat, well, the fascia runs throughout, it's like the connective stuff that ties the whole body together. It's a network of tissue, right? And primarily water, it's very water-based, but water holds emotions. And that fascia, when I treat that, you don't just treat the feet area, I treat the fascia as a whole and say, well, look at your network. When people get plantar fasciitis, a lot of times their network of support, their network of people in their lives has really diminished and they feel kind of isolated. Or they have fears of that as they go into their future, because the feet are what carry us into our future, right? So I look at the whole thing. When you look at the way we're set up these days, I've gone through it with my mom and dad, and I would do a treatment with my mom, and she'd go into now, we have a wonderful doctor as an MD and naturopath. And because of his background, he can tie it together more, right? He she goes, Well, he told me the exact same thing that you said. And so it's great to get that backup, right? But these days we're sending people off to the gastroenterologists and to the neurologist for this and the cardio, you know, cardiovascular surgeon to check up on that condition, and the regular cardiologist, and we have several doctors, and who's looking at the whole person? So I love that you touched on that because that's it. We are not bits and pieces to be sliced and moved around. We are a whole being infused by a higher self, our soul being that comes into us to use as a vehicle.

Candace Patrice: 19:01

You know, um you saying that really helps me understand why I'm so frustrated in the medical system. Uh, because I was diagnosed with ulcerative colitis, but I have to see because it manifests in my eyes, I have to see the ophthalmologist, but I also still have to see the GI doctor because it is ulcerative colitis. But then I also have to see the rheumatoid doctor because of whatever happened with my joints before that. Right. Three different doctors treating the same thing, but nobody's really on the same page. And there's never really anyone to give me real answers. It's just like, come back in three to six months so we can tell you the same thing. And then that becomes so frustrating for the person who's trying to be healed. Like, I don't just want a band-aid, I don't want you to just say, here's some pharmaceutical drugs to go and take to make you feel good today. Right. And then they, you know, tell you all of the the things and that are not. Good for you, or it's we need to monitor you taking your medicine here so we can't prescribe you more unless you come to this appointment. But also we know that you have to have this because if you don't have it, then your body's gonna go in an array, but we still have to check these boxes to say we saw you. I don't know, it's just it's a lot to have to deal with um with that, and it would be really nice to have that one-stop shop. But I had a question for you as well. So you wanted to go into the medical field because I'm assuming curiosity of learning more and having it guided. But do you study just based off of what you're curious on? So, like you study something and it's like, huh, let me go learn about that because that was in that journal and that makes sense. So now I need to figure out what this does. Is it the curiosity that keeps you learning?

Julie Lieberknecht: 20:49

Well, it's it's that that's not actually what got me into. I mean, the times I considered going to med school was because of this work that I gotten into, and I was wanting to integrate, being able to see people, you know, okay, how can I integrate this into my life and find clients? If, you know, and so it was just that like, should I do because I love the learning I was doing for my teacher. She's a medical, you know, she's a DO and she was bringing a lot of anatomy and physiology. And in my training, as I did a vocal major in college in my music degree, and part of that came with you have to learn how to teach singing. And so we did this really intensive this vocal pedagogy class to learn to teach vocal techniques and learning the anatomy of the vocal cords and all of that. I always loved biology, I always loved all these things. But now, now I'm very much like my teacher in one way. There's the the scientist inside of me that is saying, Oh, somebody's come to me with this condition. How can I, how can I work with this? How can I treat this differently? Even for instance, with my my own mom, who had certain issues going on with uh with you know, bowel issues, that then when I had added time and I was with her in this hospital stay, and I'm like, okay, I've been doing this work this long, we've got amazing results going on. How can I treat this differently? So it's ever evolving, just like medicine. So my curiosity with various conditions carries on just the way that researchers in the medical world say, how can we get better at doing this, right? And so I started, we have different energies. Um, I call we refer to them as ray energies. And there's a different ray energy for each energy center, each chakra. And all of us also have these different energies placed in like that's why we have different physical bodies and we have different emotional bodies and we relate differently. And some of us are more sensitive, and some of you know, you meet people that are just always in their head. And so we have these different energy makeup and these ray energies. So there's a different ray energy in the heart chakra, which governs the immune system, and there's a different ray energy in the digestive system. So, but look at it this way: something like you talked about ulcerative colitis. Um, the gut is such an important, important thing, and energetically, it relates to relationships. 70% of the immune system is in the gut, and that has that heart energy in it. But the rest of the digestive system has that other ray energy. We call it ray six. There's ray two from the heart. So then you combine. I started treating differently and adding this energy into that to help heal the microbiome in the gut. Because people develop autoimmune after a breakdown in the gut. And I see a lot of this going on because of family situations where there's a narcissist in the family, somebody with a personality disorder, that you now so you have an immune system that's meant to defend and protect you, right? We we look to this in our families. We think our family is there to protect and defend us. So when you have dysfunctional relationships that really haven't been dealt with, you've been through some trauma, you've been through a family situation where somebody is really working against you, that's gonna, of course, affect the energy in the gut. This was like an epiphany. When I had when I saw this all pieced together, I thought, oh my God, this makes so much sense. So now you've got this gun that's being affected by the relationships, and that's 70% of the immune system there. So now that's breaking down because of these unhealthy relationships. And now you get a couple, the microbiome thins, is damaged, you get a piece of food or two that escapes out into the bloodstream, and the immune system is saying, Oh, foreign object, we need to attack. And so it's attacking its own body, just like in that family unit, when you get somebody who's narcissistic and is coming at you instead of protecting you, over time you get more and more inflammation. The body is simply it's the soul working through the body to say, hey, we've got a problem here. You're running to the bathroom all the time because there's a problem you need to look at. That's all it is. We are not diseased. Anything can be reversed if you're really determined and keep your energy in alignment. That when you start correcting the nutritional things you're putting into your body, what does that tell your body? I care about myself. That adds to your own immunity. Right? So now you're doing self-care. When you don't let that damaging person, that toxic person get to you, you kind of put up your energetic shield of like, I hear you, but I'm not taking that on. You are now a solid whole unit. As that heals, the microbiome can heal. You now have a healthy functioning. Because before, when you're not paying attention to that bowel action, the body then has to through the soul has to send more information to the body. You're not paying attention to me. I'm gonna send you more, more pain, more inflammation. And so then suddenly, along maybe 10 years down the line, before you actually can see this in the blood work, you have an autoimmune now, which can all be reversed. All you have to do is look at yourself. Look, and it's it's easier said than done. You know, look at these things where that are out of balance. And okay, instead of doing everything for everyone else, you stop and say, No, I'm gonna take some time and meditate today. And oh, those people, those needy people in your life, I'm not happy about that. You're focusing on you? Wait, wait, wait, wait, you're supposed to be my slave. And so it takes focus, it takes conscientiousness, it takes integrity to say, I and so as I I help teach people that as we evolve and move through these energy centers, the solar plexus governs the digestive system. And that's kind of like going up the chakra system. You're you're up to the the belly area, right? And the heart's above that. Self-care is like when you're booking that massage appointment, when you're doing those things and you say, Okay, I care about myself. When that graduates up into the heart chakra, and you can call it self-love, that means you're doing that stuff, not well, I should I should do this because it's good for me. You do that and you feel no need to apologize for doing it, and it just becomes normal to do those things for yourself, to meditate every day, to maybe use a dry skin brush to avoid certain foods that you know are gonna bring you down. And all of taking a walk, getting out to nature, getting away from that screen. So that graduates from self-care, from the shoulds of life. Like, well, I I should take better care of myself. I have a joke that I use with my friends and clients, and I always say, Don't shoot on yourself. It's messy and it smells. So it it that's that feeling of like, and people have said this to me all the time. My mom used to say this years ago. I know I shouldn't feel that way. I'm like, mom, you have the right to feel however you feel. We feel however we feel. And by acknowledging that, and a lot of times it comes through pain. Our society is so adept at taking pain medication, anytime we feel the slightest thing, the body is processing things out of the system through that pain. And through, do you know that migraines and panic attacks serve the same purpose? They are expelling trauma, prior trauma out of the body in a way that's not going to harm anyone. I grew up with a mother having migraines. You just want to take a pain medication and make the house dark and lay down. With the panic attack, you're just trying to make it through the day. You're not thinking about harming whoever caused this feeling, which really everything's just a mirror. Nobody caused really anything. But that's that's where it comes to is that we have have to be able to feel our own feelings and say, I feel this way, I feel really hurt. And then when you really get with it, anytime you're annoyed with anybody, anytime anybody does something that really just gets to you, you can say, When do I do that? When do I do that? Oh, you know what? I was really annoyed with her talking for so long, but oh, I can be a chatty cathy. I get it, I get it. She needed to get that out. As women in particular, we process we process our experiences and our life through sharing with our female friends. Yes, and so by talking, that's how we're actually getting our insights. Yes, and we all have our days where it's a little bit more, and sometimes we're on the listening end for that, chatty Kathy. Yeah, so it's all just the body is there showing you what you need to look at. Okay, well, why is that hypertension so bad right now? Okay, are you giving yourself yourself time to breathe and calm down? And I I believe the the medical society says that, okay, we have our autonomic nervous system, and it's the sympathetic and the parasympathetic, and they work like a teeter-totter. So you have the sympathetic being the fight or flight, the parasympathetic, it's like how you feel after a Thanksgiving meal. You just want to go to sleep, you're relaxed. And so one is functioning or the other. And we are actually meant to be functioning in a parasympathetic state for 80% of the day. So we're meant to be in a relaxed rest and digest. So if that's what you need to digest, you need to be in that state. When you're in the parasympathetic state, that's actually when you heal. And you wonder why we're so diseased in the society when everybody's got this elevated cortisol, go, go, go, go, go. And there, I'll share this one thing too that there was a great book written years ago. Um, what was it, the overscheduled child, I believe. And there was something pointed out that even when we're watching, we're watching television shows, and even when it comes to documentaries, all we see is the action taking on in these people's lives. We don't see them sleeping. We don't sit there and watch the TV for half an hour to see them sleep. And I had a friend in England who had a family member who's a documentary maker and was doing these documentaries on the on or a documentary on lions. And if the lion isn't hungry, they will sleep for 23 hours a day. But in the documentary, all we see is the action, and it subconsciously programs us to think that we have to be busy all the time. So my guidance comes to to help people say, Do you really need to be doing all of that right now? Do you need to be doing so somebody else's duties for them? What feels good to you? And to help them get back in tune with does that feel good to you or does that stress you out thinking about it? You know, we under the guise of being kind to other people, we can destroy ourselves. And if we destroy ourselves, we don't really have anything to give. And understandably, there are times that we we do these things, and it and people will lecture, kind, kind, well-meaning people will lecture. Oh, you know, you need to take care of yourself. In that circumstance, taking care of yourself may actually be taking care of your child, taking care of your elderly parent. I went through it with my mom and dad, and I don't regret a moment. It was stressful. I was sleeping about three hours a night, but I was with them through those hospital stays because that was a better alternative than being away from them, not sleeping, worrying that nobody's there to advocate for them. And that I was in a good mood. All these medical people are like, oh my God, I just love seeing you and your dad together. I just, you know, they still get to see the real spirit, even though I'm stressed. Yeah. It's a hard thing. But that was actually, and I just I don't bother arguing. People just, you know, you need to take care of yourself too. I'm like, this is taking care of myself. Yeah. I've only got one mom and dad, and they need me right now.

Candace Patrice: 35:29

Is there is there a favorite thing for you to or area for you to treat? And is is treat the word that I should be using? It's it's a treatment.

Julie Lieberknecht: 35:40

When I work with people, I call it a treatment, but favorite area meaning what?

Candace Patrice: 35:45

Um, oh, I don't I think you have so many areas, I don't even know how to break that down. So it's uh whether that's people's gut, um, whether that's um their mind, like is there a favorite, do you have a favorite thing, or is just everything so unique and individualized that you just do your work?

Julie Lieberknecht: 36:05

In every treatment, this might help clarify it. In every treatment, just a basic treatment, I meet you, okay, you book an appointment for Tuesday, we go through the little health history, make sure we have everything covered, um, talk about, you know, kind of your health history, your emotional history. Who are you? Um, how how did you get this way, right? How did you become worried about the things that you worry about? Give me your life history, right? And talk about it. And I formed my own way of doing that to have a long first session because I had so many people coming to me that, um, and I've treated so many therapists and so many physicians, that they're complaining about the system not working, and that you have these half an hour sessions with like students on a campus. It's barely, it usually takes, especially new new patients or college kids who are finding their way through their 20s, it can take 15 minutes just to get through, like, oh, you know, you're carrying a heavy book bag today, or oh, the weather, yeah, before you get into anything important. And then the time goes off, you've barely had time to evaluate their medication need, and it's just so dysfunctional and everybody's stressed out. So I wanted a chance to really hear your story uninterrupted and just tell me who you are. And then, okay, well, this is what we can do, and then we do a treatment in that first session, which first treatment takes around a half an hour, 20 minutes to a half an hour, and in every basic treatment. Now, this is the basic. On top of this, I'm going to work on any targeted areas, like if somebody comes with an aneurysm they're worried about, or with you know, gut issues, or we work on that too. But in every treatment, I treat all the seven chakras, so the root chakra, the sacral, the solar plexus, the heart, the throat, the ajna, which is the seed of intuition, and the crown, and the something called the ultimate major. And I treat all of these, see how in balance, which ones are out of, you know, out of balance, diminished, too excessive in energy, maybe, and treat all that. I treat all the major organs and glands, the spine, the circulatory system, and the lymphatics. That's that's in a basic treatment. The adrenals, the kidneys, the uh solar plexus of the whole digestive system, um liver, spleen, fear points, points dealing with courage, points dealing with shock. We hold shock in the body, the thyroid, the thymus, the immune system. So it's all of this stuff, that's a basic treatment. So that could that just basic thing can take 20 minutes, 20 minutes to a half an hour. And then so I'm always dealing with the whole person.

Candace Patrice: 39:04

So if I was, if I had never spoken to you before and I'm hearing you talk about different areas that you treat, what if we were to break that down for someone who has no idea what we're talking about? What does that look like when you say treatment? Like you come in with um with headaches, migraines, and then after treatments, your body has less migraines? Like if someone how who who can come to you with what kind of problems, and then what is the outcome of a treatment? Or like can you share a story maybe of something?

Julie Lieberknecht: 39:42

I can give you a couple that will um here's here's a gonna I I've also taught dance. Um, and I was teaching dance um years ago, and I had this adult tap class, and I become friends with these ladies. And one of them would talk to me about this. She was scheduled for a complete hysterectomy. And she was like in her late 40s. And it is, it's a pretty extreme procedure, can really screw up your hormones. And um, because of some funny blood counts, as she said, you know, well, I've got these funny numbers, so they're gonna schedule me for a complete hysterectomy. And so we talk about it, and she knew what I did. And at the time I was new into my work, I was in the first year or two of my work. And she said, Well, no, and I said, You are you sure you want to get this done? Because it's you're not even gonna be able to dance in the reset in the recital at after working all year on this choreography. You're gonna have to miss it. Yeah, but my doctor really thinks I need it done. So I'm like, okay, you know, we just talk about it. So then we get closer to the surgery date, and she calls me and she says, Well, they postponed the surgery because I've I've got a UTI. Like, okay, and so then they call me again. Oh, I won't be in class, you know. They postpone it again because I've got like a flu coming on. And she just stopped and she says, What do you think about all this? I said, Well, I just shrugged my shoulders and thought, there's some part of you that doesn't want to have this done because you keep manifesting illnesses to prevent it. And that was all it took. And she said, Okay, let's do this. Now, not everything is like this, and we want to look at conditions too by how long somebody's been carrying this energy pattern for a while. The longer that train is going off in that direction, it takes longer to slow down that speed, right? So this um, we did one treatment, and three days later she had lab work done and it was normal. And the she still has not had that procedure done, and this is 20 some years later. So, and I ran into her. Um, she doesn't even live in the area anymore. I ran into her at like a trader Joe's uh a couple years ago. Oh my god, I hear this person calling out my name, and we talked, and that came up. She goes, Oh my god, that was like a miracle. Well, these kind of miracles I see a lot, and some take longer than others. Everybody's individual, right? So there's that type of thing with a um a medical condition. I can share this one. I think we we touched on this the other day, but I had a woman come with breast cancer that had gone into the lymph and had been given six months to live. I'm not gonna go into her story because it's pretty in-depth, but she'd been through a lot in her life. And as she described everything, I said, and this is a physician. I said, You made it through medical school in a Muslim country and went through all of this stuff that you did and coming here and everything you've gone through, and then a horrible divorce. I'm like, can you imagine still being married? Oh god, no. God, I'd be dead by now. And I said, you know, your son is old enough, he'll figure out what's what. But this isn't something that's happened to you. This is forcing you to take care of yourself, it's forcing you to focus on yourself. You focused on your career and helping all these people and your son, and now you're being forced to to look at yourself. And I said, It's just your soul saying that things are out of balance. And so she had been given six months to live at that point, and she sat there. And um, I just remember sitting there and crossing my arms and saying, No disrespect to anybody in your field, but no man or woman in a white coat has the right to tell you what your time frame is on this planet. That's between you and divine source. And that kind of is like, oh my God, what a beautiful way of looking at this. So you have situations like that that I've seen everything. I've seen I've uh treated uh Parkinson's and ALS and anxiety disorder and all of these things, and it's just this. Um so I'll describe one more and then I'll tell you kind of the process that there was a man that came to me again. This was like in my first six months, first year of doing this work, that he had severe issues with feeling isolated, feeling abandonment, couldn't keep a relationship together. And he came to me and said, Okay, well, let's let's do this. And we did all the appointments over the phone. And I said, Well, there's this thing we can do, and it's called the cause. And so after I've done a couple treatments with people and I make sure the energy is flow flowing okay, and I said, We can we can do kind of like kind of like you do in hypnotherapy. Like in hypnotherapy, you're putting somebody through real relaxation and and then asking, where does this go back to? Where does this, what are we looking at, what age are you? What you know, it's a simpler way of doing that, in that after I'd done two, three sessions with this man, I said, okay, we're gonna, I'm gonna start off balancing your energy, and then we're gonna name this thing, and we're gonna call it whatever you want to call it, the abandonment, the isolation, whatever. And so I think he called it the the abandonment. And I said, Okay, now I'm gonna look at your energy field at the cause of the abandonment. And we don't know when that is. You might have been a kid, you might have been a, you know, whatever. And so I call him and I say, Okay, now focus on, and I want the the client I'm working with to focus on the cause of the abandonment. And I go and look at their energy field. And the energy field got really small to me. It felt like very young, like this tiny, tiny, very tiny person. And so I'm like, okay, we've gone back a ways in in his history, but it's, and we were taught very well to not um, whatever images you're getting, don't discount them because they may mean something to the person you're working with. Don't judge it, just be open. So I'm an effective conduit and there's no judgment, and I'm just receiving. And so I am asking, okay, for the cause of this abandonment. And I kept seeing this circle. My eyes are closed during the treatment. I see this circle in front of me, and I see it kind of pull apart and split into two, over and over. It immediately my mind went to biology class and cell division, but it never went beyond two. I saw the circle, it went to two. One, it went to two over and over. I did this brief little treatment at that time, some kind of retroactively treating at that time, and then I come back to now and say, okay, now just relax. I'm gonna finish up the treatment. And when we spoke after that, I described what I saw. And I said it never went beyond two, but it looked like cell division. He goes, Oh, I know what that is. I was born a twin and my twin died at birth. And so his plan was to come into this life with a sibling that then that caused this feeling of abandonment. And from that work that we did, he found a support group called Twins Without Siblings. And God was able to address those. So that's it's I see everything. I don't have one condition that I really love more than others.

Candace Patrice: 47:57

Yeah.

Julie Lieberknecht: 47:58

Um, I love seeing heal the patterns that they come from. So when I work with somebody, I can describe it now in in terms of like the law of attraction. A lot of people are getting really interested in that and you know, trying to understand how it works. Well, it's simple that you have those days when you just feel great. You feel great at the traffic's moving, just you meet meet that perfect person. You oh, so-and-so called, you just feel on top of the world, right? I flip my hand up like I'm high-fiving somebody, and I describe it like this. You have that that higher self, your soul, and then I flip the other hand up and put underneath it like they're in alignment. And I'm like, this lower one is your physical body, the other one is your your spiritual body.

Candace Patrice: 48:45

Does that look like this?

Julie Lieberknecht: 48:47

No, the other one would be pointing straight down, so like the tip of your finger underneath. Nope. Nope, flip them both facing up. Flip them both so they're creating a line. High do a high five. Now put the other fingertips uh underneath your palm, underneath the first hand. So you're making a line, right? Yep. Look like this? A little bit, just so you're yeah, yep, just like that. Okay, okay. So the bottom is your physical self. So when that's in alignment, that's when everything's like, oh God, I feel so good. I feel so good. Now, most of life they're kind of going in and out. We have conflict, we have things going on in our lives. So when I work with somebody, I have a process to get through that and to be in alignment and I focus and connect my energy. I meditate every day and I try to stay in that alignment more as much of the time as I can. And then when I go to work with somebody, I go into that process to make sure I'm in that space. And then I connect with the person I'm working with, and I ask for permission of their soul. May everything be done for your highest good. Then I ask to connect with divine source, and I allow that to flow through me so that my intuition is functioning and all of that's flowing down through me, so I can simply work as a facilitator. I'm not taking on any problems they have. I'm looking as a facilitator so that I can help. So then through feel like sensing with my hands, I hold my hands out and I can see how expansive the energy is or not, and then I focus that energy through that third eye, through my ajna, and just ask for balance until I feel the shift in their energy field. We're just asking for balance. We're not asking for perfection, just asking for balance, asking for a shift. And then through that process, then I finish up, I do some grounding work, and I'm just treating and asking for balance with all these organs and glands and going through that whole hierarchy, do some grounding work at the end, ask for a blessing, close up their energy field, and then call them back. A lot of people doze off, they get very relaxed. So that's part of the process is that by putting them in that parasympathetic relaxed state, the body can heal itself.

Candace Patrice: 51:22

That nurse that you talked about, you said they gave her six months.

Julie Lieberknecht: 51:26

Oh, doctor, actually. The doctor, yeah.

Candace Patrice: 51:30

Did she make it beyond the six months?

Julie Lieberknecht: 51:33

Yes, she's still around. Had had been working full time. I mean, that did not pan out at all like that. So it and and a lot of times that's what it takes. It's just she had been referred to me by another physician who was a friend of mine saying you need to go see Julie. So you've kind of got leverage. There's somebody that they trust saying this person can help you. And just being able to know that, okay, I've been doing this a while. And let's look at this from a different perspective. And when people when people hear truth, they know it. I'm not selling them anything, I'm telling them something that their soul already knows. And that's why they nod and go, okay, okay, let's do this.

Candace Patrice: 52:23

Like us right now, right? The whole time, just nodding.

Julie Lieberknecht: 52:26

That that no matter who I've spoken to, whether it's a mechanic, a physicist, a physician, um, a child, uh, no matter what, the same response. What I describe it differently for every person. And like with a mechanic that I met, it's like, okay, so how does this work? Like, well, you know, people bring their cars into you and they're kind of, you know, they're out of balance. They need alignment, right? Each person drives differently. And so some people are really hard on the gear shift, some people are hard on the they drive two-footed, the brakes wear out, they steer hard. They're gonna carry on those patterns, even if they get a new car, right? That pattern is there. Well, think about the driver as the soul and the vehicle as the body. We run on emotional patterns. Some people run on fear, some people run on bitterness. Fear tends to settle in the urinary system. It's like calcified uh uh fear is like kidney stones, bitterness runs in the gallbladder. Um, circulation can be how much you give out and how much you receive. So those parts are going to be affected. Like the circulation, the arteries take the blood out, the veins bring it back. Do you know what an epidemic I've seen of men of my father's generation who were taught to just be the providers for the family? Oh, I don't need anything, I don't need anything. And they get varicose veins because they've been taught their whole lives to they don't need to receive anything. We all do. So those parts of the body can be affected. And so then I said, like people bring their car into you, people bring themselves into me, and I try to, you know, realign their energy. And and this guy just looked at me and he says, That makes perfect sense, right?

Candace Patrice: 54:14

Like, okay, that's so good. Um, we are coming up on our hour already. Um, did you have anything else you wanted to ask, mom, or say before we close out?

Janet Hale: 54:28

There's so much. I know, I know. But uh, it was almost like a therapy session for me. Oh my goodness. Uh, especially, and I just want to say this real quick, um, letting go of different relationships, I'll put it that way. And being okay with that if that is to protect my peace. And when I was listening, I thought about my daughter who's here, and my granddaughter, and how there's a shift going on, and I'm not real clear what it is. And when I heard you talking, I thought, let that be what that's going to be, and allow them their space to do what they need to do, and not try to control whatever it is I think it needs to look like. So that I mean, it was just a whole lot of what you were saying. I was like, yeah, she must be all in my hands. She is, I'll tell you. She sees your eyeballs. Yeah, and that, yeah, yeah. That that and um when you were talking about the body, and I was thinking about going to the doctor, and I haven't seen the doctor in what, uh, maybe two years, and I got a call. I'm not on any medical, I was on everything, not everything, I was on medications for different things. I stopped, and I'm not recommending everybody do this, but I stopped and I just started concentrating on what it is that I'm putting into my body. How am I feeling? If something doesn't feel right, check it, Janet, and not run away from how it feels. Because what I feel is important, and for me not to run from it. Um, just ooh, I was just all over the place, just feeling it. I was like, yes, I was having a party in my hand. Um thank you very much.

Julie Lieberknecht: 56:19

There are a couple things oh, thank you for being here. I love interacting with both of you. It's um it's just a this is what I what I told Candace last week was you know, this is what we call a divine appointment.

unknown: 56:34

Yes.

Julie Lieberknecht: 56:35

And so we get to talk about the stuff that's actually important. And the thing that I can I can say is like there's one thing that I've been helping people kind of see for for many, many years, whether they're a friend, client, or anything, it's just kind of who I am. But it's like um, if it's really, really right for you, it's right for everyone around you. And so sometimes people who are reliant on you need to learn their own independence. But the other thing is that um, have you ever uh read the book, The Writings of Khalil Jabron, the prophet?

Candace Patrice: 57:08

Oh, stop it, tell a kid. No, uh-uh. I can't do this. Think about it one more time.

Julie Lieberknecht: 57:14

There's a writing about children.

Candace Patrice: 57:16

No, stop, Julie, cut it in, stop.

Julie Lieberknecht: 57:20

Children are not in you, they come through you, but they are not on you.

Candace Patrice: 57:26

Stop everybody stop. I can't take it no more.

Janet Hale: 57:30

That is my favorite point. Stop! Yep, that book is next to my bed.

Julie Lieberknecht: 57:37

Oh my god, for years that has been they didn't come in to be molded by us, they came to express and in fact, and you'll appreciate this. I was really good friends with the pastor of the church that uh came when I was about 12. So, like I said, I grew up in the church. My dad would kind of be the assistant pastor and kind of take over when they go on vacation, but he just wanted to do his thing and his volunteer work. And anyway, we have this wonderful pastor that came when I was 12 years old. I was a babysitter for their uh uh he and his wife just had a baby girl, and and so they were like family, they were like uncle and aunt, and and um so with that uh with that related. Now my mind just went. I'm like, why am I telling you this story? Because you're supposed to. So many things, so many things going through my head. So we had a lot of really interesting uh conversation. Um, as I started to grow up, and uh I went to study in England and I came back, and there was this friend from the church, the woman who was much older uh older than my mom and dad, even, oh, oh darling, were there any men over there? And I said, Oh, there's one, but you know, I said, Oh, but he's Jewish and he lives in England. And and so Pastor looked at me and said, Sounds like the biggest problem you have is distance. Let's go to lunch. And so now, as I got into my 20s, we started like having these occasional lunches and talking, and then through that time, he then was diagnosed with multiple myeloma and was coming to me. So here I do, I'm getting this healing work now, but it started out like just, hey Julie, what are you doing on Tuesday? Do you have time for lunch? And I just moved back from England. He's like, hey, you want to go to the Zen Center and sit with the monks and have lunch? So we'd go to the Detroit Zen Center, and I thought, oh, there's a lot of people in the church that wouldn't be ready for this because they're locked into, you know, all the biblical or religious scholars have a great time talking to each other because they know we're all connected. But so we'd sit there with the monks and they're like, so tell us about this esoteric healing. We'd sit and have this lunch, and and it was just like a normal day, right? Well, I had my dad telling me about his favorite mistranslations in the Bible, and then I had Pastor, and I had this great relationship with like dad and uncle talking about all this stuff. And he says, Julie, you know what one of my favorite mistranslations is? This is in Genesis. You know the bit about goore forth and multiply? Oh, people love to go off on this. Now, people come to me all the time, and as a Lutheran minister, I'm supposed to have a view on abortion, either for it or against it. He says, Tell me the situation, which is exactly how I would look at anything. And he says, Oh, that winds people up. Oh, you're a pastor, you're supposed to be, you know, this way. And he says, So in Genesis, where it says, and I had actually studied some Hebrew years before, and um he says, you know, that verb in Hebrew can mean three different things. He says, it can mean to exist, it can mean to procreate, and it can mean to express yourself. So that meaning may very well be go forth and be the best you you can be. What a different basis for life that gives instead of all these rules about you must keep popping out kids, no matter what the circumstances. And how self-expression, because one thing I've learned, and I'm I very particular likes, and I love my favorite colors orange, and I'm really into color and really expressive. And I would be at Trader Joe's wearing my bright orange winter coat, and somebody would come up to me and say, Oh my god, you've just made my day. I'm literally in line to buy a few things, and they're like, everything's gray and black and brown and dreary, and it's cloudy, and then I saw you in that coat, and you just made my whole day better. I thought about flowers blooming, and it was so profound. And I was telling my dad, my mom and dad, later that day, I go, look at how that works. Just by me being authentic, me being the best me and just authentically expressing myself, that had a positive effect. So that's my goal for anybody who works with me. Let's get you back into the most authentic version of you, which is sometimes going to be crying, sometimes gonna be feeling pain, and that's all good. It's all part of the process.

Candace Patrice: 1:02:30

Yes. The monks are walking right now, actually, for peace. I think they're on five months or so. They're going from the south to Washington, DC. I learned this today. I'll send you the video, mom. Okay, it's just interesting. When she said that, I'm like, whoa, I just watch the monks. Like, it's so kind of cool.

Julie Lieberknecht: 1:02:51

And just being present with peace helps people more than we realize. Yeah.

Candace Patrice: 1:02:57

Julie, you are an amazing human, possible human, I'm not sure, but you're you're an amazing soul and spirit, and I'm so grateful to have met you and that you accepted my meeting and appointment. So thank you for the Snickerdoodle cookies. That changed my whole perspective on. I don't know what it changed, but it did something. I want some more, actually. Um, so if you're in the spirit of making cookies, call me. I'll come, I'll pick them up. You don't have to do anything. I'll meet you wherever anything. You just let me know when those cookies are ready, and I'll come grab some.

Julie Lieberknecht: 1:03:38

Well, thank you for the lovely words. And we're we're all amazing souls, and I think the same with the two of you. And the cookies were just a vehicle for us to meet, and it's proof that everything is energy. Because when you're in alignment, everything you cook and bake and say and create is gonna be in that energy. If you're dancing and having a good time, people feel that. If you're playing an instrument, people are gonna feel that.

Candace Patrice: 1:04:10

So how do people find you, Julie?

Julie Lieberknecht: 1:04:14

I will give you my uh my email address that you already have. I'm in the process of revamping everything that I do and expanding because I've been doing a lot of caretaking as mom and dad were declining and they pass, and so I'm relaunching with new material and and expanding it as I always knew I would. So I will get all of that uh to you. You have my email address, and uh we'll go from there because some of the website and that isn't launched yet, but we will get to that.

Candace Patrice: 1:04:49

Well, thank you. Thank you so much. Um, this was an amazing podcast, and I'm grateful that every podcast continues to just be great. And so living in the present and the moment creates the opportunities for a perpetual greatness, enjoyment of life. And you are one of those people who come to bring that out. So thank you. Anyone listening, you can find us the website essentialmotivation.com, email Candace Fleming at Essential Motivation.com. Um you can email me and put in the subject, Janet, if you want. You can reach her directly. That way I'll make sure she gets it as well. And always remember to love hard, forgive often, and laugh frequent. Bye, guys. Bye bye.